Select PayPal Credit at checkout to have the option . Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. And, it's not clear if they get health insurance as part-time employees. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. . Enjoy the Race To The Bottom, along with the clientele it will surely attract (think Spirit but even more extreme). Procter and Gamble, I'm thinking of you! 2) housing: I am curious what housing? All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? Or the app crashing? I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Certainly in today's world that is a luxury. Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. This is a very exciting idea indeed! The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. $1200 per month is a crime. They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. See point 2. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. Our fares are low! Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Those rates and minimums will almost certainly guarantee an ALPA swooping-in to negotiate better terms for their members. save. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. Our business address is: Also: are families welcome? Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. Actual flight time? It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. It's capitalism in it's most raw form. The average pilot will make more than this. Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. Let's seean airline you interact with almost completely on an app staffed by young folks with no vested interest in the company or it's success.what could possibly go wrong? Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! But thank you again for the advice. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. Have you gone to college? This would be less cringey if there would be incentives for the flight attendants to move into positions such as pilots or air traffic control. How many people can't afford to start a new business or begin a new endeavour because they are tethered to their current employer solely because of the insurance. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. Kinda like most private sector unions. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands Does this really qualify as an "internship"? How much do Breeze Airways employees make? Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. These comments are something else. Not my kind of thing. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Find Salaries Clear All Prime Minister/Moderator. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. The industry does need an overall. You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? Its schedule, price, loyalty program. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. A job that solves the problem of housing takes an enormous number of costs away from young people, and the "$1200 salary" needs to be evaluated in that context. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. The role of flight attendant will be more like an internship than a career, because Neeleman believes flight attendants dont improve much with years of experience, and that they can get trapped in a dead-end job due to the seniority system we see at other airlines: Its not something politically correct but its something David wholeheartedly believes in, says Trey Urbahn, a Breeze board member whos worked with Neeleman at several of his other airlines. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. You don't get any insurances. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. The a la carte formula is very popular whether you personally like it or not. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. There's a lot Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Think lifeguards. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. At this point, offset the difference by instructing or other commercial needs. 100% Upvoted. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. But I guess everyone agrees that the duties of FAs are just going down day by day. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. 1) Free Housing! As a college student, I love the idea! Eight hours plus. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. See more about our ethics policies here. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? Fly for less money and less stress. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Reviews from Breeze Airways employees about working as a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? Glorious. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. After taxes and insurance I . Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? Guess which days you're going to be working? pilots @AA, UA, DL = NYC cab drivers. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. If not the comparison is poor. Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? Maybe wait and see? They had over a hundred applicants. *No insurance provided. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Not if you wanted good work done. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. Breeze knows this. Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". There are laws preventing this for a reason. This is absolutely exploitive. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Interesting model. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. Wow, quite a few idiot comments: 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Guest Service Plan. Site Support. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. 1) Free Housing! They are taking advantage of a market surplus. Would you like to buy a filet mignon sandwich that we can hand deliver to you in your seat? Just add all these fun little add-ons where you can just click yes, yes, yes. And we can just keep dinging the credit card.. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. 0 comments. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. The pay is horrifically low, though. Anyone have any info on what flying for Breeze Airways is like? The company may credit new hires for any prior active years of service at another Part 121/135 air carrier or at a Mesa-affiliated pilot development program for purposes of calculating years of service for compensation, vacation, and retirement. share. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! The estimated hourly pay at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $11.82 per hour for Software Engineer Intern to $167 per hour for Captain. Very interesting article, first off there's a lot of people who only want to work part-time and find it exciting to go to different cities. However, if there's a recovery in airlines and given there was a shortage of pilots before I'm not sure this pay scale is going to last full time. Wondering about pilot recruitment/requirements. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale! The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. Others might say its borderline exploitative. Close. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. 3 Your speculation about FA rest and workload is also rank speculation. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. Once the market rebounds they will have to adjust the MMG to remain competitive. Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: the recruiters told me: Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! @Robert. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? Off topic, sorry. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. People can't really be this stupid. The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. This was the skybus business plan. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. 2) Free Travel! Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. All rights reserved. Per the website, FAs can work a maximum of 60 hours per month. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. less than daily to leisure/small markets. This is absolutely exploitive. @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. It gets so tiresome. Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. New. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. Be honest. Where do I sign up? And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would not hesitate scheduling surgery (I'm sure he/she is cheaper) since I know he's had full training. Would much rather have spent my time working for peanuts high in the sky, and jetting to interesting places. Im a retired AA captain. So a lifelong career. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. The pay is horrifically low, though. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. your username . Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. Maybe 3 hours. Interesting. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. You can't have a million dollar dream with minimum wage work ethics. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? Is there a penalty for leaving early? Welcome! Are They Worth Taking? Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. Our business address is: I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. Friday, September 30, 2022 Contact; Advertise; About Us; Subscribe; Videos; Accessibility; 0 items $0.00; Sign in. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. Joined APC: Jan 2006. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad.

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