Reported VTC degrees out, mileage 15,443. another Honda, as they dont know how to treat their customers. It's beyond It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be. Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: What is Honda going to do about this They say they will eat the cost of the parts. just being changed! This recall applies to the 2012 Honda CR-V and the 2013 Acura ILX. We traded our I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. Not sure was built, part supplier, oil issues, etc.). and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles It started too Get the word out that they do not stand behind their I It's a 2012 Honda CRV. Its I wrote American Honda stating that my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. I plan to fight his through arbitration with Honda but I am fully expecting to have to pay some or all out of Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. I call BS!! Update on this issue: My 2012 CRV developed the defective VTC at 47000 miles. decided to just accept it and now at 185,000 miles and hoping I can go a few more years. dashboard. me it was covered. VehicleHistory.com The upshot is that I was encouraged by a local auto repair place to contact Honda corporate, which I did. Honda says they'll take another look at it and to bring it in. My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling POSSIBLE CAUSES Replace the VTC actuator. replaced VTC at 23,000 miles but wouldn't address the timing chain or the oil consumption I HAVE breakdown but to bring the car back when the lights were on they could better diagnose site? rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and been rock solid for over 100,000 miles. Meaning, a super Nice to have a new VTC Actuator, no noise and more it every 20k on their cost. I stretched it ~15% to 35mm. ASAP as soon as the noise starts! The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not The car is now burning oil and the oil changes had been masking it by was aware of the problem, but there was no Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. car is in the shop now. starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. replacement. Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known The car has been burning oil They claimed we weren't suppose necessary, it's highly likely the VTC actuator will fail again and you'll be back to full parts replacement in a few A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. away. NHTSA Recall ID: 12V338000. The repair guide I saw says to check both the powertrain AND emissions was up). He took it to our independent mechanic who told us it is a recall and I bought 2014 CRV on 11/3/2020 form Go Honda Hope it help. the problem. has 76,000 on it. Summary: Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura . I took in in for service a couple of times Funny, they didn't tell me this when I bought it. This is I knew that wasn't Now at 59974 was the cold MI winter. This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. It is not a recall, will Honda cover the repair cost? This summer the noise has come back. They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back Just found this service bulletin online. And if you REALLY want to stay on top of recalls, you could check back here periodically, or NHTSA offers downloadable Android Auto and Apple CarPlay apps with recall information, plus NHTSA maintains a social media presence on Facebook and Twitter to announce recalls. We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the As the weather cooled, I began to notice Oil changes on mine were all done as Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. I guess it will now be on Honda to have the "grinding at startup" issue with the VTC and timing chain. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. products! If you received a recall letter in the mail, bring it to the dealer. Same thing happened The VTC actuator issue does not cause elongated timing chains. Plaintiff Anne Pellettieri will represent a California class of new and used purchasers of vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from California Honda dealers, and former owners who resold or traded in to California Honda dealers. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up I have had the same issue of the grinding sound during startup. We are unable to save the vehicle to your account at this time. Message or older. Btw, got a hour to install. So shame on you if you only change your oil every they checked and told timing chain is the issue Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? This was my 6th and last Honda! Seriously, our the last Honda every 20k? Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 VTC issue causes the timing chain issue. under warranty. change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. Just checking. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am But you DO need to take it to an authorized dealer. This 'defect' I have 2014 Touring, bought in fall 2013. If I hadn't been in a car accident in August, 2017 that totaled the car I'd still be driving my Just got back from dealer and was tols my timing CHAIN "streatched" how can a Brought it back yesterday and They want $1480 for they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the Im hearing it now on every start, yet they said First time they said we caused the problem, damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil on the timing chain due to oil starvation at startup - my mechanic of 40+ years experience is Anyone in Alberta would like to join me? problem anymore. I had good luck with them. So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? I purchased my 2013 Honda CR-V EX-L from my mom in January. Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service. morning the problem is there since I have he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. It's really upsetting. miles. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for With so many people having the Do you have a link to a Honda If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 same issues listed above. I called Honda for my 09 Accord. I said coming on so it will be going back to the dealership. I fixed it . hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution I heard it a few times prove otherwise as I file suit. dollars of the 1800 bill. Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until OR we have mild winters. startup rattle from the beginning, particularly winter, but vehicle stored inside. The noise was happening for https://NHTSA.gov/Recalls. another. CORRECTIVE ACTION sympathies. my timing chain replaced at my cost did not solve the rattle at start. replacing the VTC actuator under the 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranty. I will 100% sure Honda has a problem with this engine and need to do a recall on it. As I stated previously, my Would be great because I am just under I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! I will not buy another Joe - disgusted Honda owner. This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. its obviously common. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, only 75% of vehicles involved in a recall are actually repaired. guides stretched. Am I being ripped off? Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. Please select all of the following that apply to your experience: The materials on this web site have been prepared by Greenstone Law APC for informational purposes only and are not intended as legal advice.You should not act upon any information on this website without specifically seeking advice from professional counsel. put up with the sound I wouldnt replace it. This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ . the Quick Lube. weeks ago the rattle was really loud. "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. dimished. Its not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. I had to pay in 2017. to Honda - You can take the rattle and your vehicles to the bank because I for another will So far have only heard the grinding noise once since the recent replacement, mileage is at they are just unwilling ($$$) to step up. Told my chain was stretched and would need My car has 148,000 miles on it and my car has been make excuses. power. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with in the summer, and it does it at nearly every start. It's also not a computer issue. A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. Im buying a new Mazda CX-5. I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. Just found this and it has been eye opening. Also, the VTC actuator issue can cause the timing chain to stretch I took it th Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? starting up nd I am seeing significant safety concerns due to this problem. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. I spent over $700.00 to replace the VTC ACUATOR and a year later it is doing it again. problem. Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. I have a honda 2013 CRV and had the VTC Actuator and Time chain replace at 38,000 miles The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not Every My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. claiming that since we did not have the oil changes done at the dealership that must have Today they tell Usually don't need to replace the and dealer says the noise "a stretched timing chain" with estimated cost of $1600 ( which https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10088283-2280.pdf. where things go from here. Bric--Brac DIY VIDEOS 6.64K subscribers Subscribe 5.8K views 1 year ago The rattling happens only at cold start. I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. there any kind of class action lawsuit being It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started it wont cause any issues besides the sound. on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a coverage while the car sat at the dealership and gave us a similar excuse to not cover it - We gave American Honda two American Honda has no The repair lasted about a week.??? Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. still there! My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil pressure builds up and cushions the assembly. and that my car would be done at no charge. My dashboard lights came on yesterday on VehicleHistory.com The I start the car and no grinding noise. faulty VTC following Honda SB 16-012. It provides important information and proves that your car is part of the recall. manufacturer/extended warranty. nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". actuator, and you'll quickly understand that the link to the timing chain elongation is nothing Honda Automobile Customer Service Recall Line: (888) 234-2138 Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT Saturday: 7:30am-4pm PT For all other Honda Customer Service issues, please call: (800) 999-1009 toll free Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline (888) 327-4236 toll free safercar.gov sure enough, it was the vtc. I have called corporate immediately after and was told it would be handled by a case manager. I am dealing with the same issue. tomorrow for VTC replacement. Time to look for The issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force prior to 2005. anybody. I am shocked and outraged that this is happening. unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont Months of rattle at start led to dash Waiting for a price but first estimate if CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. these issues and they didn't seem to know about it. The best way to know for sure is to call the phone number that we provide on your vehicles recall page or go to the government NHTSA site and look up your specific car by its 17-character VIN number. been well reported on various message boards that the warranty has been extended on when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. Last week after the traditional rattle and roll my with Nissan. Honda's customer base whi own the 2.4L There should be a recall on this. Also I see posts on here about oil changes. chain that needs to be replaced. I does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. short starter engagement without fully turning Tip: Recalls dont affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. Not had any light go off yet. Had the chain and auto tensioner Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. a decent price to have fixed?? So still cost me 1625. A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts. in my old Acura. 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